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Posted on: Mar. 11, 2008 at 11:02 PM

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So now Florida congressional representatives released this load of crap...

"We are committed to working with the DNC, the Florida State Democratic party, our Democratic leaders in Florida, and our two candidates to reach an expedited solution that ensures our 210 delegates are seated. Our House delegation is opposed to a mail-in campaign or any redo of any kind.”

So after being told that by moving up, they'd not have their delegates seated, the Floriduh Dems are committed to having those delegates seated. It's like trying to get my 5 year old to listen. Sometimes, you just gotta shut off Shrek 2, and wait for the little head to turn your way, then they might hear you. The 2 sentences in their statement are mutually exclusive. My son isn't allowed to eat his entire birthday cake, the day before his birthday, and have any cake on his birthday (because my wife ain't baking a 2nd freaking cake). The Floriduh Dems cannot reach any solution with the DNC, and the 2 candidates, that will seat these delegates, without a redo.

At this point, after this statement, what possible solutions are left?

They aren't seated, as per the rules, and as they were told would happen.
The FL and MI delegates are split 50-50
The Amazing Super Delegates settle the issue in the next week, and the 400 or so remaining ALL go to Obama or Clinton, ending the race, and then the FL and MI delegates can be seated if the winner wants.

There is no other solution Hillary and Obama will agree to.

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Phaedrus

Mar. 11, 2008 at 11:23:22 PM

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Also of note, tonight

Adm. Fallon resigned from Centcom command today. I guess we need more surging, or someone to start singing "BombIran".

The Democratic Candidate Carson, won IN-7th special election today.

And Obama spanked Clinton in Mississippi's Primary by 22 points, and gains another 17 delegates, to her 11. Totals now are 1608 Obama, to 1478 Clinton. He won MS by 93,000 votes, nearly erasing her 101,000 vote win in TX. I guess after the US VI, and PA, when Hillary is still short by 100 delegates, we'll be looking to Guam!

May 3: Guam caucuses

May 6: Indiana primaries

North Carolina primaries

West Virginia primary

May 20: Kentucky primaries

Oregon primaries

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Free Thinker

Mar. 12, 2008 at 08:21:11 AM

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Phaedrus,

This whole thing is a total debacle! You are right that both Florida and Michigan knew the rules and now everyone is crying foul. I do think that it is unfortunate that someone made the decision to move the primaries up, thus breaking the rules and giving these two states no representation at the convention. Who ever did that was not using their head. What is a shame is that we have a close contest going and those delegates could prove to be very important on the floor in Denver.

I know that the DNC and the states are not eager to pony up the cash for a redo, which I fully understand. I also am very fearful of the plan to do mail in ballots. I can just see all of the problems that will occur with that!

I also know that a lot of the prodding on this has come from the Clinton camp. She is fighting for a victory. That is fully understood and if those delegates were there, she would be in a closer situation. I know that Michigan would go to her and Florida might by a smaller margin.

It just bothers me that someone wanted to jump the gun and move their primaries up knowing damn well that it was breaking the rules thus disqualifying their state delegates. Those people should be held responsible for this mess.

I wish that I could offer a valid suggestion. I like the idea of splitting up the delegates, but that does not provide a fair voice of the residents of these two states no matter which way they vote. The Super Delegates is probably the most logical and cost effective way to do it, but again, these Super Delegates are not going to be totally representative of these states.

Maybe the best way is to just follow the rules. But that would go against the grain of politics!

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Johnny Green

Mar. 12, 2008 at 11:00:31 AM

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This whole thing is ridiculous. The DNC and the local states got into a game of chicken and now neither one blinked and the only ones to suffer (as usual) are the democratic voters of these two states.

Due to all that's gone on in this administration in the last two electon cycles this election has been the democrats to lose. I'll be damned if they aren't doing all they can to lose it.

If I weren't already an independent I would become on.

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Phaedrus

Mar. 12, 2008 at 04:57:53 PM

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[This is a reply to comment by Johnny Green on Mar. 12, 2008 at 11:00:31 AM]

Johnny Green
Mar. 12, 2008 at 11:00:31 AM

This whole thing is ridiculous. The DNC and the local states got into a game of chicken and now neither one blinked and the only ones to suffer (as usual) are the democratic voters of these two states.
Due to all that's gone on in this...

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No, the Republican Gov of Florida is doing everything he can to screw up the DNC.

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know it All

Mar. 12, 2008 at 05:31:27 PM

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The government should pay for another election and let the people be counted. I read it would cost about 5 million dollars So what, That's what about 5% of what they spend in Iraq every day? We push democracy all over the world and when it comes to ours we sweep it under the rug.

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Average American

Mar. 12, 2008 at 07:17:12 PM

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"So after being told that by moving up, they'd not have their delegates seated, the Floriduh Dems are committed to having those delegates seated."- Phaedrus

I don't know if it was Florida Dems who came up with this plan so much as it was Hillary who brought it up and made it a big deal. She agreed to this and by God she should have to stick to it. Obama did what was expected, he removed his name as agreed to by the DNC and the candidates, but Hillary forgot to do it.. This was in Michigan or Florida that the removal was agreed upon, not sure which one, but who cares really. A deal is a deal.

Look, I really do not have a dog in this fight yet, but how much longer are you Democrats going to allow Clinton Inc. to run your party?

Now perhaps you can see what we on the right have been talking about when we say they are power hungry as hell.

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Average American

Mar. 12, 2008 at 07:20:16 PM

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Then to get even at the end of the day, the state voter should rise up and rip those bastards out of office who agreed to these deals, moved these election dates and screwed their own people out of their vote.

You can't blame the candidates in the end, so long as they live by the rules as they were in the beginning of this process. But the people can sure as hell make it right when those who played the game did what they did come back up for election, or hell, you Dems are hot for an impeachment... Go get 'em.

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indie616

Mar. 12, 2008 at 08:30:45 PM

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[This is a reply to comment by Average American on Mar. 12, 2008 at 07:17:12 PM]

Average American
Mar. 12, 2008 at 07:17:12 PM

"So after being told that by moving up, they'd not have their delegates seated, the Floriduh Dems are committed to having those delegates seated."- Phaedrus
I don't know if it was Florida Dems who came up with this plan so much...

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Oh Oh AA. Does Bob Toad know that you are saying that about his beloved Hillary? You are at risk of being banned from the radio show for that kind of thinking.

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Average American

Mar. 12, 2008 at 09:14:40 PM

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Indie,

I don't run my thoughts through Toad, nor does he through me.

What is it William says, "The Truth set us and be free becuase feedom all Americans"

Or something like that.

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AZ Moderate

Mar. 12, 2008 at 10:08:46 PM

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[This is a reply to comment by Average American on Mar. 12, 2008 at 09:14:40 PM]

Average American
Mar. 12, 2008 at 09:14:40 PM

Indie,
I don't run my thoughts through Toad, nor does he through me.
What is it William says, "The Truth set us and be free becuase feedom all Americans"
Or something like...

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Har! Har! Double A, you gave me a good chuckle. That must be a conservative funny. I don’t care what they say about you, you’re OK.

A little surgical sarcasm is good now and then.

Did you commission William to write that gem?

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